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posted 27-11-2017 @ 05:25 PM
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I'll right onto that Andrew. With pleasure.
Quote: | Originally posted by Andrew
Based on the feedback above, perhaps itspossible could draft up an example email/post to send to promoters and companies and put it in her original
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 05:38 PM
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Quote: | Originally posted by Billycat
Billycat is currently working on a creative 25 WOL decorated brochure to send to promoters:
When judging a competition, stick to the terms and conditions. Don't be swayed by a fancy mail in one, unless you told that to everyone. |
My kind of creative entry |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 05:39 PM
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Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
I'll right onto that Andrew. With pleasure.
Quote: | Originally posted by Andrew
Based on the feedback above, perhaps itspossible could draft up an example email/post to send to promoters and companies and put it in her original
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Brilliant idea |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 05:45 PM
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Quote: | Originally posted by blossom52
Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
I'll get right onto that Andrew. With pleasure.
Quote: | Originally posted by Andrew
Based on the feedback above, perhaps itspossible could draft up an example email/post to send to promoters and companies and put it in her original
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Brilliant idea |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 06:38 PM
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Done. Example drafts have been inserted into the original post on this thread. |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 06:45 PM
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Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
Done. Example drafts have been inserted into the original post on this thread. |
Thanks - these are good examples we can use. They do not sound petty or ring of sour grapes. Just light but stating a fair case.
Think I will print some out on occasion to mail to the promoter as often they only have an address and no phone. |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 06:55 PM
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This is a fantastic idea, itspossible, thank you so much for taking the time to set this out. I was only thinking recently it would be great to
organise ourselves to make a concerted effort to contact promoters BEFORE a competition ends. Count me in. |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 08:26 PM
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Good letters itspossible.
And if people could post on the relevant thread when a promoter has responded positively that'll let the rest of us know which comps will be fair to
enter. |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 08:31 PM
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Great idea itspossible. Thank you for all the thought and work you have put into this. |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 10:52 PM
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I wish you all good luck in enacting this strategy |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 11:10 PM
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Love the way we are all uniting to make promotors aware of how important it is to adhere to the terms and conditions |
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posted 27-11-2017 @ 11:25 PM
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Great idea itspossible. Thank you for all the thought and work you have put into this. |
I agree |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 07:25 AM
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Quote: | Originally posted by carolj
Great idea itspossible. Thank you for all the thought and work you have put into this. |
I agree |
thanks itspossible , totally agree and thanks for your hard work |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 08:03 AM
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Excellent idea itspossible. I have saved your sample letters to refer to.
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Totally agree the promoters need to be accountable to their T&Cs. Could this work best if we ask upfront if they are considering creative mail
ins, before we commit to purchasing the product? |
IDreamOf I agree, if we all inundate the promoters when the competition starts, they may get nervous that not many are going to buy their product or
enter the competition...maybe? |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 08:16 AM
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Great idea! |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 08:30 AM
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do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 09:12 AM
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Well written itspossible. Thank you for such a detailed discussion and suggestions on what to write |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 09:31 AM
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That's a VERY good point Clover.
Example (a) Audi Car. Random draw. I personally have met a Lottos comper who (2yrs ago) won an $85k Audi which was supposed to be a random draw.
(btw this was the 12th car they had won). This person stated that they had mailed in a creative and the promoter was so impressed, he awarded the
prized to this person.
Example (b) Yellow Brick Road. Random draw. Last year $50k was given away to a person who delivered a cardboard poster with photos of their recent
marriage on it. Stating they couldn't afford a honeymoon or a house... the promoter was "so overwhelmed" they just HAD to award it to her.
There would be MANY more instances just like these.
So yes. I believe random draw, purchase required, 25wol. ANY comp which has a big prize should be targetted. Put it this way... if you want to win
it, message the promoter with your concerns of creatives. Then put it on the thread that you have messaged. Remember, we will need quite a few
messages for the promoter to actually understand it's not ok.
Quote: | Originally posted by clover
do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 10:18 AM
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Quote: | Originally posted by clover
do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. |
I haven't kept tabs on the panettone comp winners, but the Divella pasta winners always have very Italian names. Now, it may be that Italians get
through the most pasta and have the most entries, but there should be enough non-Italian entrants for one to sneak through occasionally, even as a
runner-up. Also the Ettason Chinese New Year comps are always won by Asians. |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 10:46 AM
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Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
That's a VERY good point Clover.
Example (a) Audi Car. Random draw. I personally have met a Lottos comper who (2yrs ago) won an $85k Audi which was supposed to be a random draw.
(btw this was the 12th car they had won). This person stated that they had mailed in a creative and the promoter was so impressed, he awarded the
prized to this person.
Example (b) Yellow Brick Road. Random draw. Last year $50k was given away to a person who delivered a cardboard poster with photos of their recent
marriage on it. Stating they couldn't afford a honeymoon or a house... the promoter was "so overwhelmed" they just HAD to award it to her.
There would be MANY more instances just like these.
So yes. I believe random draw, purchase required, 25wol. ANY comp which has a big prize should be targetted. Put it this way... if you want to win
it, message the promoter with your concerns of creatives. Then put it on the thread that you have messaged. Remember, we will need quite a few
messages for the promoter to actually understand it's not ok.
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Crikey, how many cars does one person need? |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 11:13 AM
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I totally agree!
However we need to make sure we don't waste our effort on competitions where mail-in is a legitimate component. I'm quite happy for people to send in
creatives to any mail-in competition ( so stated in T&C) and see their work rewarded.
However where the T&C specifically state "online entry", "random draw", "entry must be placed in box in the store" and similar terms we do need to
hold promoters to account and make sure they are sticking to their T&Cs. And this must be done BEFORE they award the prize. Complaints afterwards
can make promoters uncomfortable but I can only think of a few comps where they have actually changed their decision as a result of complaints. (The
one that comes to mind is a big trip won by a stolen photo, which was rejudged due to complaints) |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 11:18 AM
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Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
That's a VERY good point Clover.
Example (a) Audi Car. Random draw. I personally have met a Lottos comper who (2yrs ago) won an $85k Audi which was supposed to be a random draw.
(btw this was the 12th car they had won). This person stated that they had mailed in a creative and the promoter was so impressed, he awarded the
prized to this person.
Example (b) Yellow Brick Road. Random draw. Last year $50k was given away to a person who delivered a cardboard poster
with photos of their recent marriage on it. Stating they couldn't afford a honeymoon or a house... the promoter was "so overwhelmed" they just HAD to
award it to her.
There would be MANY more instances just like these.
So yes. I believe random draw, purchase required, 25wol. ANY comp which has a big prize should be targetted. Put it this way... if you want to win
it, message the promoter with your concerns of creatives. Then put it on the thread that you have messaged. Remember, we will need quite a few
messages for the promoter to actually understand it's not ok.
Quote: | Originally posted by clover
do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. | |
Wow! wow! wow! 12 cars! .... what if A Current Affair did a story on how many promoters don't abide by their rules? ... surely this would get their
attention? ... also, if a prize is still issued to a non compliant entry then perhaps bombard their social media pages with the disgust of allowing
their promoters 'dirty' the name of their company? (or something to this effect) ... sorry, I'm not so good at explaining things in words (lol). |
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 11:24 AM
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Shows like ACA are negatively based. They will possibly only scare promoters off from running future competitions. And I'd hate my beloved Lottos to
be dragged through the mud for no reason. Let's just take what we know NOW and move forward in a positive (non-media) fashion. Making sure we have a
level playing field from now on. Let's not look back. Lets only look forward. With a positive attitude.
Quote: | Originally posted by Calliope
Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
That's a VERY good point Clover.
Example (a) Audi Car. Random draw. I personally have met a Lottos comper who (2yrs ago) won an $85k Audi which was supposed to be a random draw.
(btw this was the 12th car they had won). This person stated that they had mailed in a creative and the promoter was so impressed, he awarded the
prized to this person.
Example (b) Yellow Brick Road. Random draw. Last year $50k was given away to a person who delivered a cardboard poster
with photos of their recent marriage on it. Stating they couldn't afford a honeymoon or a house... the promoter was "so overwhelmed" they just HAD to
award it to her.
There would be MANY more instances just like these.
So yes. I believe random draw, purchase required, 25wol. ANY comp which has a big prize should be targetted. Put it this way... if you want to win
it, message the promoter with your concerns of creatives. Then put it on the thread that you have messaged. Remember, we will need quite a few
messages for the promoter to actually understand it's not ok.
Quote: | Originally posted by clover
do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. | |
Wow! wow! wow! 12 cars! .... what if A Current Affair did a story on how many promoters don't abide by their rules? ... surely this would get their
attention? ... also, if a prize is still issued to a non compliant entry then perhaps bombard their social media pages with the disgust of allowing
their promoters 'dirty' the name of their company? (or something to this effect) ... sorry, I'm not so good at explaining things in words (lol).
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 11:40 AM
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I clearly didn't think of it this way - good point - will follow thru as its been suggested, banding all together.
Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
Shows like ACA are negatively based. They will possibly only scare promoters off from running future competitions. And I'd hate my beloved Lottos to
be dragged through the mud for no reason. Let's just take what we know NOW and move forward in a positive (non-media) fashion. Making sure we have a
level playing field from now on. Let's not look back. Lets only look forward. With a positive attitude.
Quote: | Originally posted by Calliope
Quote: | Originally posted by itspossible
That's a VERY good point Clover.
Example (a) Audi Car. Random draw. I personally have met a Lottos comper who (2yrs ago) won an $85k Audi which was supposed to be a random draw.
(btw this was the 12th car they had won). This person stated that they had mailed in a creative and the promoter was so impressed, he awarded the
prized to this person.
Example (b) Yellow Brick Road. Random draw. Last year $50k was given away to a person who delivered a cardboard poster
with photos of their recent marriage on it. Stating they couldn't afford a honeymoon or a house... the promoter was "so overwhelmed" they just HAD to
award it to her.
There would be MANY more instances just like these.
So yes. I believe random draw, purchase required, 25wol. ANY comp which has a big prize should be targetted. Put it this way... if you want to win
it, message the promoter with your concerns of creatives. Then put it on the thread that you have messaged. Remember, we will need quite a few
messages for the promoter to actually understand it's not ok.
Quote: | Originally posted by clover
do others think we need to target “random draws” (ie non wol)as well.
If promoters have been going outside t & c for wol online how can we be sure even random draw comps won’t be corrupted. Just thinking of the
current Ital Panettone comp. None of us knows whats going on behind closed doors. Possibly difficult on how to approach companies for these though.
Will give it more thought.
I’m sure we’re safe with the big electronic draw agencies. | |
Wow! wow! wow! 12 cars! .... what if A Current Affair did a story on how many promoters don't abide by their rules? ... surely this would get their
attention? ... also, if a prize is still issued to a non compliant entry then perhaps bombard their social media pages with the disgust of allowing
their promoters 'dirty' the name of their company? (or something to this effect) ... sorry, I'm not so good at explaining things in words (lol).
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posted 28-11-2017 @ 11:51 AM
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That's a great idea. I'll do what I can to hep out |
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